Why do atheists hang out here?

topic posted Mon, December 12, 2005 - 9:27 AM by  Entropy
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Why the atheists? Can't they read the tribe's name?

Why are some atheists so evangelistic in their belief that no god exists?
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  • Re: Why do atheists hang out here?

    Mon, December 12, 2005 - 9:59 AM
    <" Why the atheists? Can't they read the tribe's name?">

    This isn't exactly a model of tolerance and open dialogue, Gent. I encourage people of any belief system to post here so long as they are willing to subject their beliefs to scrutiny.

    I think part of the reason that some atheists are evangelistic is that we live in a religious culture--I have in mind the good ol' US of A but this applies to most countries. In what is nominally a secular country, our policies are being made in accordance with Christian doctrine. We have fundamentalists at all levels of government, and many of these people are actively working to turn this country into a Christian theocracy. Some Christians are also in a war against science in which they try to supplant dogmas like Intelligent Design held for religious reasons for our best naturalistic theories in science classes, in addition to making prayer in public schools mandatory. I got an email recently urging non-Christians to "just shut up" since they are a minority (apparently mob rule is now the model of good Christian government). Even as an agnostic, it really bothers me when a man with the greatest arsenal of weapons of mass destruction the world has ever seen believes that God speaks to him, and that there is an eminent armageddon coming soon that he could potentially play a part in. Anyone who isn't troubled by this simply does not understand the situation.

    These fundies are trying to dissolve the distinction between church and state and take away rights that many of us non-believers take for granted, like secular education, the autonomy of science, the equality of women, abortion, and secular courts, among other things. Given all this, I can see why atheists get pissed off and evangelistic. Unfortunately this means that many of them (i.e. "strong atheists") make asses of themselves and alienate people who might otherwise be willing to listen.
  • Re: Why do atheists hang out here?

    Mon, December 12, 2005 - 11:54 AM
    Why the atheists? Can't they read the tribe's name?

    I think there are several reasons:

    (1) It is more interesting to have a discussion with someone who has a different perspective, but if the perspectives are too different there may be no common ground. From this standpoint atheists and agnostics make perfect debating groups. They share a lot, but are different in many respects.

    (2) Most if not all atheists were probably agnostic at some point. If one progresses through a set of ideas and comes to a conclusion, it is natural to go back and reassess your ideas as you grow and learn more in your life; therefore atheists may often be in the process of reassessing any conclusions they have come to and will sometimes wish to reassess both agnostic and even theistic ideas at some point.

    (3) Agnostics most likely have considered atheism and therefore are a natural audience that might be interested in atheistic ideas.


    ">>Why are some atheists so evangelistic in their belief that no god exists?"<<

    Most atheists think that belief in God is a hindrance to cultural and scientific progress, so that if we want a better world, a good place to start would be to convince people to live for this world and not a theoretical next world and to make decisions based on what is good for man, rather than for a theoretical God.
    • Re: Why do atheists hang out here?

      Mon, December 12, 2005 - 5:46 PM
      I'm just comfortable with ...I don't know and I'm not gonna let my imagination rule what comes next or who may hold the puppet strings ...I just don't know...and organized religons are nothing but someone else's imagination run amuk from over 2000 years ago...
      I don't know...and it really does'nt matter!
    • Re: Why do atheists hang out here?

      Sun, December 18, 2005 - 10:59 AM
      "Most atheists think that belief in God is a hindrance to cultural and scientific progress, so that if we want a better world, a good place to start would be to convince people to live for this world and not a theoretical next world and to make decisions based on what is good for man, rather than for a theoretical God."

      Yep Newton really was hindered by his belief in God.
      • Re: Why do atheists hang out here?

        Sun, December 18, 2005 - 1:54 PM

        G,

        I don't know, but there is some anecdotal evidence that perhaps he was. Though Newton didn't understand what gravity _was_ (that wouldn't come until Einstein), he did understand how to determine the effect of one object on another. However, it has been said that this troubled him, for with the countless objects acting upon one another, he imagined that the whole world would literally fall apart if something wasn't keeping it together -- and "god" was this something.

        Now, it very may well be that, as far as he had gotten in understanding this force, that he reached some cerebral limit, or just thought "whew! time for a __long__ vacation!" :-) However, it also may be that, if he did insist that god was in there _somewhere_, that this insistence limited how much else he could discover. Perhaps, as far as he was able to go, he could have gone much farther had he not this belief that god must be doing _something_, that there had to be _someplace_ where human understanding falls apart and the only excus -- erm, I mean _explanation_, is "god."

        Regards,

        John, who doesn't understand why this cold of his hath moved from his head, to his chest, to his head (sinuses) again ... maybe it's unknowable, somehow beyond human comprehension? :-)

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      • Re: Why do atheists hang out here?

        Tue, April 18, 2006 - 6:52 PM
        Yeah, I think it's the type of religion that has hindered some science. Historically, some scientists were motivated by their belief in God. Wanting to understand the creator and all. Not my cup of tea, but I can respect it.
  • Re: Why do atheists hang out here?

    Tue, December 13, 2005 - 4:41 AM
    Yeah, I've found that many North-American atheists are more than willing to "proselytize" people.
    Which should be a very theist (or Christian for that matter) feature.

    It doesn't happen here in Italy, we usually get along very well, maybe because we have our very big common problems with our very invasive Catholic church.
    • Re: Why do atheists hang out here?

      Wed, December 14, 2005 - 11:52 AM
      So it's a North American thing? Maybe an outgrowth of the American tendency towards "fixing" other people/cultures?

      Whatever the reason, it lends itself towards my distaste for the behavior that it is such the mirror-opposite of religious behavior.
      • Re: Why do atheists hang out here?

        Wed, December 14, 2005 - 11:29 PM
        Discussing what are thought to be better ideas and giving reasonable arguments for those ideas does not fall into the domain religious behavior. I find it insightful that you appear to be associating the two concepts as the same thing. The human conversation is vital and goes on in every field and area of all our lives. It is the most important aspect in the advancement of our civilization.

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