If

topic posted Fri, January 20, 2006 - 10:51 PM by  Bryan
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If god is everything and anything at all times, then I am god.

But I have limits. I am not god.

But if god has limits, then I might be god.

If god doesn't have limits, then ....
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Bryan
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  • Re: If

    Sun, January 22, 2006 - 10:51 AM
    >>"If god is everything and anything at all times, then I am god."<<

    If god is everything and anything then god is the universe. I believe you might be part of the universe, but not all of it, therefore you are not god, but part of god which is not the same thing as being god.
    • Re: If

      Sun, January 22, 2006 - 12:05 PM
      you wouldn't expect a limitess entity to have parts of itself limited from accessing limitless resources would you?

      if no limits exist on anything in the universe, you wouldn't expect to have limits would you?
      • Re: If

        Sun, January 22, 2006 - 9:10 PM
        Having no limits is not something that I can understand. I do not believe that something can exist and also have no limits. Existence seems to require space and time, which are limits. This is partly why the entire concept of God seems meaningless to me.
        • Re: If

          Tue, January 24, 2006 - 8:33 AM

          This sounds like the age-old discussion on omniscience and omnipotence. If god is all powerful, then god can make a burrito so hot so that even god could not eat it. However, this means that god can't eat the burrito, which means god is not all-powerful.

          ... unless i'm missing something (and some of my believer friends tell me that yes, I am <smile>).

          Regards,

          John

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          • Re: If

            Tue, January 24, 2006 - 5:30 PM
            <"This sounds like the age-old discussion on omniscience and omnipotence. If god is all powerful, then god can make a burrito so hot so that even god could not eat it. However, this means that god can't eat the burrito, which means god is not all-powerful. ... unless i'm missing something (and some of my believer friends tell me that yes, I am <smile>).">

            I'm not a theist, but I think the "smart" theist answer to this little riddle is that you're pointing out *logical* limits to omniscience and omnipotence. No matter how powerful or smart a being is, they can't do something that is logically imossible, like make a 4-sided triangle (or a compassionate conservative). This is not because the task is too difficult, but because the taks is defined incoherently. Your all-too-hot-burrito may be a more subtle and complicated example of a 4-sided triangle.

            If a theist thinks that their omni-groovy god can do things that are logically impossible, well... best of luck defending that idea. More likely, the theist himself is trying to do something logically impossible. =)
            • Re: If

              Tue, January 24, 2006 - 6:47 PM
              A monotheisistic god is just the logical (or illogical depending on how you want to look at it) end result of the contest of my god can beat up your god(s). The result gives basis for an absolute form of morals, ethics and rules. It's a system that relatively easy to gasp and hard to argue with outside of the more erudite philosophical realm.
            • Re: If

              Mon, February 6, 2006 - 2:28 PM
              I think that logic comes down to the irresistable force versus an immovable object senario. This isnt being addressed correctly in linear fashion. It is logically possible for an infinitely powerful being to create and infinite amount of force. So god creates the infinite force and boom its there, now he has proven he can do it. Then he creates in infinite object and boom he does it. Then he pits them against each other and they do one of two things maybe: explode and destroy the universe or cancel each other out completely and nothing happens. Either outcome does not take away the fact that he created the infinite...

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